ei got this feed back and long reply too.....
"so far only three persons, if i'm not mistaken answered his call. good or bad? i will say bad, it even sucks. there are almost a hundred artist, maybe more on that list alone and only three answered? why? maybe they are busy with work or maybe they just don't give a damn. "
>>> Ner, one thing that I've realized when soliciting for contributions to projects is to get in touch with
these artists directly because it gets more results. Throwing out a call for submissions in a general way like on a mailing list just won't cut it. That's why I got people like Whilce, Leinil, Roy Allan, Arnold Arre etc to contribute pinups to one of my projects. I had to go and ask them personally, and then follow up continously. It's not because they didn't care enough to volunteer their efforts, but it's because they are engrossed doing their own projects and may not have time to read emails with genearal requests for artwork.
i know what you mean, because i already approached some people to do art for sanduguan. some were more than happy to oblige (sp?) and others will say if time permits. i'm cool with that and i respect a lot of artist for that. that's why the gallery page of sanduguan is almost like a filipino artist gallery. and of course i'm just waiting for you to clear your sked on superman before i ask you for one pin-up also. he he he. i already ask philip tan also way back when he was still doing mutant earth, and i understand that with his schedule on x-men, i will have a loooooooong wait.
>>> I realized that reading posts on a mailing list is just one of the hundred things any particular individual will do on any given day. A general call for submissions is something that can easily get lost in all of that because it's impersonal, it's not really directed at them personally, and so it's easy to set aside. i know it just gets depressing sometimes, i still remember when we did that pinoy super-heroes jam. that was soo cool that i managed to do 3 heroes. but with stuff like this it's just get deppressing. considering i ask only once for pin-ups on others and i got some answers. others who were not able to draw one for me still remembers, they even say " uy,me utang pala akong pin-up sayo no?" and i just say no problem take your time, i know your busy. just do it when your free. and i feel exhilerated/happy/flattered that these guys remember.most of the people i approached already are professionals, doing mainstream stuff and indies in the US.
>>> It's not really about people NOT caring, but it's a matter of spinning your request in a way that will make people care about it. And because you may not have gotten the response that you would have wanted you now react with frustration and anger at those self same people...how will that make people care about your project more?
yeah i guess, maybe i'm expecting too much from these people. it's not that i'm reacting with frustration. i already expected what will happen. it already happened to another artist who made the first request in a mailing list. and i did the same thing, i just wanted to confirm my theory. maybe these people are busy, i understand that. because i myself have an 8 to 5 job, have a family, i'm doing more than 3 books not knowing if they're going to be published, but hey that's what artist do, right?
but the thing that really bothers me so much is, that if a lot of artist are so vocal about the reviving or revolutionizing the industry maybe we should start with each other, start from the ground up. i'm not talking about sales and buying stuff from others, because that is still a choice of buying what you like. more of the supporting small stuff, like giving advices and otherstuff.actuallyi have no problem with this, this board and the alamat list already does the job. so does the saturday group at megamall, where you can get your art critiqued and whatever you need hands on.
remember the pinoykomiks website i told you way back. that's was supposed to be my contribution for the industry, only a few supported it. and a lot of people did commend the site and really like it, but the thing is i can't do it alone. sad to say it died a quick death. then i see these ideas, why not make a website that will have a list of filipino artist or a gallery of the golden agers. sorry been there, done that and it went kaput. why not a website that have tutorials and others stuff that will help others? same answer, it
was done already. or maybe a ............... i think you know now why i'm so frustrated with this people who are so vocal, but doing nothing. as i understand you also have your frustations regarding the industry. so do al ot of us, but the thing is only a handful of us actually do/did something.
now small group of artsist also have a new plan and their plan is already set in motion. i was invited to participate, i gave them my ideas and being so busy and all i also said yes!even though the task seems impossible. i was also told about the planned komiks museum and was asked if i will help, i also said yes. what does that make me, am i a frustrated artist? no i don't think so, i am already happy being able to release my books from time to time and once again if one person buy my title, i am already happy. i am not after money, just like what others say, i'm doing it for the love of the medium, nothing more.
i'm trying to look for more ideas on what we can do for the industry, nope i'm not doing this alone but with other artists who share the same goal.no one sane can this. but if a simple call cannot be answered,what more of other stuff that will need hands getting dirty? maybe we should do another call for the pinoy super hero jam stuff, and see where it goes. if people are really interested in uplifting/saving the industry.
yun lang. whew!
"so far only three persons, if i'm not mistaken answered his call. good or bad? i will say bad, it even sucks. there are almost a hundred artist, maybe more on that list alone and only three answered? why? maybe they are busy with work or maybe they just don't give a damn. "
>>> Ner, one thing that I've realized when soliciting for contributions to projects is to get in touch with
these artists directly because it gets more results. Throwing out a call for submissions in a general way like on a mailing list just won't cut it. That's why I got people like Whilce, Leinil, Roy Allan, Arnold Arre etc to contribute pinups to one of my projects. I had to go and ask them personally, and then follow up continously. It's not because they didn't care enough to volunteer their efforts, but it's because they are engrossed doing their own projects and may not have time to read emails with genearal requests for artwork.
i know what you mean, because i already approached some people to do art for sanduguan. some were more than happy to oblige (sp?) and others will say if time permits. i'm cool with that and i respect a lot of artist for that. that's why the gallery page of sanduguan is almost like a filipino artist gallery. and of course i'm just waiting for you to clear your sked on superman before i ask you for one pin-up also. he he he. i already ask philip tan also way back when he was still doing mutant earth, and i understand that with his schedule on x-men, i will have a loooooooong wait.
>>> I realized that reading posts on a mailing list is just one of the hundred things any particular individual will do on any given day. A general call for submissions is something that can easily get lost in all of that because it's impersonal, it's not really directed at them personally, and so it's easy to set aside. i know it just gets depressing sometimes, i still remember when we did that pinoy super-heroes jam. that was soo cool that i managed to do 3 heroes. but with stuff like this it's just get deppressing. considering i ask only once for pin-ups on others and i got some answers. others who were not able to draw one for me still remembers, they even say " uy,me utang pala akong pin-up sayo no?" and i just say no problem take your time, i know your busy. just do it when your free. and i feel exhilerated/happy/flattered that these guys remember.most of the people i approached already are professionals, doing mainstream stuff and indies in the US.
>>> It's not really about people NOT caring, but it's a matter of spinning your request in a way that will make people care about it. And because you may not have gotten the response that you would have wanted you now react with frustration and anger at those self same people...how will that make people care about your project more?
yeah i guess, maybe i'm expecting too much from these people. it's not that i'm reacting with frustration. i already expected what will happen. it already happened to another artist who made the first request in a mailing list. and i did the same thing, i just wanted to confirm my theory. maybe these people are busy, i understand that. because i myself have an 8 to 5 job, have a family, i'm doing more than 3 books not knowing if they're going to be published, but hey that's what artist do, right?
but the thing that really bothers me so much is, that if a lot of artist are so vocal about the reviving or revolutionizing the industry maybe we should start with each other, start from the ground up. i'm not talking about sales and buying stuff from others, because that is still a choice of buying what you like. more of the supporting small stuff, like giving advices and otherstuff.actuallyi have no problem with this, this board and the alamat list already does the job. so does the saturday group at megamall, where you can get your art critiqued and whatever you need hands on.
remember the pinoykomiks website i told you way back. that's was supposed to be my contribution for the industry, only a few supported it. and a lot of people did commend the site and really like it, but the thing is i can't do it alone. sad to say it died a quick death. then i see these ideas, why not make a website that will have a list of filipino artist or a gallery of the golden agers. sorry been there, done that and it went kaput. why not a website that have tutorials and others stuff that will help others? same answer, it
was done already. or maybe a ............... i think you know now why i'm so frustrated with this people who are so vocal, but doing nothing. as i understand you also have your frustations regarding the industry. so do al ot of us, but the thing is only a handful of us actually do/did something.
now small group of artsist also have a new plan and their plan is already set in motion. i was invited to participate, i gave them my ideas and being so busy and all i also said yes!even though the task seems impossible. i was also told about the planned komiks museum and was asked if i will help, i also said yes. what does that make me, am i a frustrated artist? no i don't think so, i am already happy being able to release my books from time to time and once again if one person buy my title, i am already happy. i am not after money, just like what others say, i'm doing it for the love of the medium, nothing more.
i'm trying to look for more ideas on what we can do for the industry, nope i'm not doing this alone but with other artists who share the same goal.no one sane can this. but if a simple call cannot be answered,what more of other stuff that will need hands getting dirty? maybe we should do another call for the pinoy super hero jam stuff, and see where it goes. if people are really interested in uplifting/saving the industry.
yun lang. whew!
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